All this makes a 4th vs 3rd gen one on one fight an easy win for the antes.

Being the focuses of Caine's curse they are also 'special' and are supposed to have the ability to at least influence their progeny. They have more potential and more experience. If so, who are the top dogs amongst the antes and who are the weakest?(No need to mention Tremere and Augustus, i am thinking about the real antes).Īs far as 'canon' goes (and these days it doesn't mean much at all) 3rd gens are exponentialy more powerful than 4th gens.

How do you fight the earth or the abyss? With that in mind, is it a slamdunk for the antes or do the meths have a fighting chance?īonus question: How do the antes compare to each other in power? Are all antes created equal or are some just more powerful then others. Cause otherwise it would be very hard to have a death match lol. So for the sake of the topic dont mention Ennoia is one with the earth or Lasombra is one with the abyss etc. Methuselahs are generally weaker and we can assume the antes are weaker aswell.

The antes turned into cthulhu monsters in the gehenna book (so it's a no brainer). So it's not about outplaying each other on the chess board. come close to a Antediluvian in raw power? Could they pose a threat to the antes? Or is the gap in power between 4th and 3rd gen simply too big? Just to clarify further, i am thinking about a hypothetical deathmatch (i know it's absurd and will never happen). What's the consensus here, do second city Methuselah's like Nergal, Ur-Shulgi, Baba Yaga, Vasilisa etc.

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